[MA-SOC] Fansubbers are evil! Oh hell yeah....well

Richard Fung aoshi00 at hotmail.com
Tue Nov 27 11:42:38 EST 2007


No offense, just what's the point of your constant bitching?  Your *%#$# reminds me of Barret in FF VII :)
 
We all do our shares of both buying and d/ling.  If you're such and advocate and have no zero tolerance for "no stealing", then on today forth, stop your d/ls of any sort, don't want anything that you didn't pay for, and don't watch any new show until its North American release which is 3 yrs from now, or not at all.  Watch DVDs and listen to the English track only, then you'd be happy right?
 
Dub vs. sub is moot nowadays, just give us both if the media holding the contents has the capacity.
Different people have their preference.  For me, I simply want to watch something in the language where the entertainment is originated from, understand Jpn aside, which I do.
 
Sure, dub has its contribution, and Pokemon was kid friendly, but no, I don't want to listen to DBZ dubbed in English again, ever.  
 
Rich
 
 
 
 
 
 
> Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 08:15:20 -0800> From: ifuritaoni at yahoo.com> To: ma-nyc-soc at lists.baka.org> Subject: Re: [MA-SOC] Fansubbers are evil! Oh hell yeah....well> > Ah! But that's the problem....once something exists> IN the digital plane....it never leaves. Hell...we> all know that a majority of the time, a fansub group> that gets a cease-and-desist order will IGNORE the> ultimatum, to the cheers of the fandom. In many cases> a hot property like Death Note and Naruto and Bleach> will be subbed by multiple groups so tying down one> group will not stop the bleeding (so to speak).> > To this day there are online archives and bittorrents> availabe for series dating back to the mid 80s like> Bubblegum Crisis and Iczer 1, so fansubbing in some> ways DOES affect the bottom line because once it's out> there, it doesn't go away and can't be eradicated.> > More importantly - as much as everyone on the list> generally seems to disdain dubs and are like "put out> subs sooner...like the day after airing in japan...or> better yet concurrently...you have the tech...so do it> NOW NOW NOW or I'll get the fansub and you will never> see a cent of my $$ EVAH" (yes this is an exaggeration> but think about it for a second, kay?) -it's DUBBING> is what has grown the anime industry in America.> > Anime on TV like Pokemon, Robotech, Sailor Moon,> Voltron, etc is what put Anime (the artist formerly> known as "Japanimation") on the map...It was the> explosion of things like Pokemon cards and whatnot> that got kids from coast to coast as young as 6 to> want anime; NOT the core fandom who are like "if you> can't bother to read the subs and revel in the purity> of Japanese - a language not even half of METRO> #$#@$#$ understands - you can go #$#$@# yourselves> n00bs". Sorry but the hardcore mentality that some> older fans have (along with the B.O. peeuuuuu) has> done nothing to get new fans involved and anime into> the mainstream. > > While many on the list think the world is better off> without dubs at all, dubs have done more to help push> anime into the stratosphere than any single hardcore> fan/group effort to date. Aired programs ranging from> Pokemon to Inuyasha to Ghost in the Shell to Tenchi to> VanDread to FLCL to Paranoia Agent have expanded the> fandom by proving that there is something for everyone> and even as we speak, ppl who might not have been> familiar with the titles before are now BECOMING> Bleach fans, Death Note fans, Naruto fans thanks to> the power of Adult Swim. > > Behold...the power of dubs! (Note from management, we> do not officialy endorse all dubs; but note some> aren't bad and that just because japanese voices are a> certain way should not mean that american companies> should ape them to the point of recreating annoyingly> squeaky little girl voices)> > B Smith, unrepentant> > --- Daniel Marx <dmarx621 at gmail.com> wrote:> > > I wasn't trying to excuse it entirely. I was just> > saying that there> > are other causes for the downturn in sales. You> > can't blame it all on> > fansubbers (especially not those who stop> > distribution when it becomes> > available here).> > > > On 11/25/07 B Smith wrote:> > >Dude....> > >> > >I do not wish to contradict you but no matter how> > you> > >cut it, it's stealing in one fashion or another.> > >> > >If someone breaks into your house and steals your> > >stuff leaving a note saying "sorry, but it's a> > >recession", are you going to nod your head in deep> > >philosophical understanding or are you going to be> > >pissed and say what you paid for is YOURS, end of> > >story. Sorry but to advocate theft in any way - be> > it> > >digital or monetary or physical - is to my mind> > >totally wrong and inexcusible.> > >> > >Unless you can tell me that on the grounds of> > >recession it's okay to pull up to the gas station,> > hit> > >the pump, then flee at top speed; I don't see how> > >anyone here can philsophically justify the theft> > via> > >internet of anime. Please prove me wrong. Go> > ahead.> > >(PS, this is not a matter of simply taking the> > moral> > >highground, considering I am a cocksucking faggot> > who> > >downloads too on some lvls....)> > > > -- > > "To sit alone in the lamplight with a book spread> > out before you, and> > hold intimate converse with men of unseen> > generations--such is a> > pleasure beyond compare."> > --Kenko Yoshida, 1340> > _______________________________________________> > ma-nyc-soc mailing list> > ma-nyc-soc at lists.baka.org> > http://lists.baka.org/mailman/listinfo/ma-nyc-soc> > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________> Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. > Make Yahoo! your homepage.> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs > _______________________________________________> ma-nyc-soc mailing list> ma-nyc-soc at lists.baka.org> http://lists.baka.org/mailman/listinfo/ma-nyc-soc
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