[MA-SOC] OT: Did internet video kill The Dresden Files?

vinnypau at aol.com vinnypau at aol.com
Sat Nov 17 03:39:04 EST 2007

 That is unfortunate.? I really enjoyed Dresden Files.? Does tivo count as viewer ship?

I tivo every American show I watch.? I prefer to watch the shows on my own time and I can pause them if I get interrupted.? Also? I just don't have time to watch comercials with so many things to do.? You shave like 15 minutes off each show for not watching comercials? An hour show is? like 40 minutes if you cut the commercials and opening and closing. ? I am super busy with work, school, games hobbies and any time savings adds up.? Watching a show on my own time without comercials and opening lets me watch half of another show.

I don't think I ever bought a single product because of a television advertisement.? I agree with Ralph they should do product placement like have characters wear or use products.? People then want to be like cool character x and buy the products.? Its subtle and doesn't waste my time.


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-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Young <ralphyoung at optonline.net>
To: Metro Anime New York City--social list <ma-nyc-soc at lists.baka.org>
Sent: Fri, 16 Nov 2007 11:11 pm
Subject: Re: [MA-SOC] OT: Did internet video kill The Dresden Files?

Well, you bring up stuff pertinent to a bunch of issues I would prefer
tackling separately.  I'll tackle a part of it:

The entire entertainment industry is built off of an economic model that no
longer works, and hasn't for the better part of a decade.  They must adapt
or die.  I don't mind if they die, because something more responsive to our
needs will almost certainly arise to fill the vacuum left in the wake of
their passing.

In video, the problem pertains to the idea that the viewer must submit to
watching one minute of stupid, boring, repetitive crap they don't want to
see for every two-and-a-half minutes of watching something they might
actually enjoy.

Today, that might be more problematic for shows with demographics savvy to
technological alternatives to that model, like TiVo, torrents and
YouTube-type stuff, but within five years it will apply equally to shows
with the  unsophisticated, brain-dead audiences as well.  Today, Dresden
Files.  Tomorrow, American Idol.  (Mild apologies to AmId fans out there,
but there are a lot of drooling idiots in your ranks)

The solution is simple, but requires work: make commercials we want to see.
Product placement and infomercials are the wave of the future, but here is
the thing: they have to be include stuff I actually want to see.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mandisa Washington" <mandisaw at earthlink.net>
To: "Metro Anime" <ma-nyc-soc at lists.baka.org>
Sent: Friday, November 16, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: [MA-SOC] OT: Did internet video kill The Dresden Files?

> This ended up being long even edited (8PP), so feel free to scan ahead or
> just skip to the question at the end) *heh*
> So with the current Screenwriters' Guild strike imposing sort of a looming
> shadow on TV & movie entertainment, naturally all sorts of pundits come
> out of the woodwork with crackpot ideas. The Times had such an article
> today, Web Videos Stealing TV Viewers, and Marketers
> (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/16/business/media/16adco.html?pagewanted=print),
> focusing on episodic video shorts produced commercially specifically for
> internet release (as opposed to TV-release or news-soundbites).
> The Times article spends a lot of time differentiating these videos from
> say, fan-made videos, by their use of commercial sponsors and product
> placement, like broadcast TV. To the article writer's credit (maybe) he
> doesn't offer much info on whether the videos are any good as
> entertainment, rather than as 15-min commercials. You can check out the
> article for reference, but I'm wondering if maybe these guys are (yet
> again) missing the point and thus making the problem worse.
> Broadcast networks realized that people were getting their TV show fix
> without commercials, by downloading illegally online or by hooking up DVRs
> or Tivo's. So now they offer TV shows for legal download from network
> websites or iTunes, with  un-fast-forwardable commercials stuffed in. Add
> to that whatever rights management and/or fees they're applying to what
> otherwise is freely distributed over the airwaves. I suppose these methods
> are meant to bolster their TV-based income, but the techno-savvy folks
> such a method is aimed at will probably ditch it for the Tivo or 'Torrent
> avenue anyway.
> Do we care if networks can't make enough advertising money on TV shows?
> Well, yes and no. I doubt any corporate network will go under because of a
> lack of ad money, so TV will keep going. But lots of good shows have been
> axed because they couldn't command enough ad-backing (that's what the
> ratings are for).
> And so we come to "The Dresden Files". If you didn't watch it, it was a
> pretty slick supernatural detective story on Sci-Fi over the summer. Fans
> of the original book series liked it, new viewers and critics liked it,
> and it was popular online, according to fan-sites and Sci-fi Channel's
> forums. Two weeks before the DVD box set came out, it was
> canceled/non-renewed for a second season because "the numbers didn't add
> up".
> (http://cc.tvguide.liveworld.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Roush-Dispatch/Dresden-Sci-Fis/800019821)
> Maybe the viewers of The Dresden Files weren't watching the show when
> Sci-Fi Channel was counting. Or maybe there weren't enough members of the
> target demographic, which I recall was car-buyers and shampoo-sniffers.
> But I suspect they were mostly people like me & Dan, who downloaded the
> show to watch later, and so were uncountable. And thus a really popular
> show gets canceled for low ratings.
> Not unsurprisingly, the same problem I've rambled on about is of pressing
> concern in the anime business as well. Japanese companies have
> hyper-paranoid restrictions on reverse-importation, i.e. Japanese viewers
> buying American-pressed anime DVDs 'cause they're cheaper. American
> companies are hurting financially because DVD-sales are down, so some of
> them are trying variations on online-distribution. But none of that puts a
> dent in illegal downloading or DVD-copying.
> Aside from the illegalness of downloading/copying discs, there's also the
> increased chance that shows will get dropped mid-release because the
> companies can't accurately gauge interest. Heck, unlike TV networks, anime
> companies (or divisions) aren't that big to start off, so they can
> actually go out of business for sufficiently low revenue. I've got no clue
> what the solution is. I like and need the convenience of downloading, but
> in hindsight, I would've rather had a second season of Dresden.
> What're your thoughts, folks? Sound-off if you've got an opinion.
> Mandisa
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